Low Down on Tucson Arizona...

topic posted Tue, February 19, 2008 - 8:43 AM by  Joy
Hello All...My boyfriend and I are looking to possibly relocate to Tucson. The cost of living seems very reasonable, not to mention the weather. I do need honest to god opinions on Tucson. We are both interested in art,music, bodywork, skating, exploring, and healthy eating. I have heard that Arizona has a lot of crime and the water situation is questionable. I currently live in Massachusetts now and I'm freezing my ass off. Health insurance is required and the heat bills are plumetting. We need a change, and some place warmer. We were going to move to San Diego, but when we got there we realized, holy shit CA is expensive! So please if anyone could give me pros and cons of Tucson without a biased opinion, I'd love that. Moving and being happy somewhere is very important to us.
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Joy
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  • Re: Low Down on Tucson Arizona...

    Tue, February 19, 2008 - 8:58 AM
    Hey Joy. I just moved to Tucson from Washington State. It's a culture shock, but I like it here. The weather makes everything worth it and the mountains are absolutely gorgeous. ;-)

    Wach out for the drivers here though.

    Really, I've seen a lot of different progressive elements here in Tucson. It's not as routinely liberal like I was used to back home in the Pacific Northwest, and the pace of life is definitely slower. But individuality and independance is highly valued here. (If you can find the subcultures, you should be pretty comfortable.)

    It's a little rougher here but not noticeably so - yo won't feel like you've moved to the inner city. The mountains are very close, and the sheer diversity of climate here is amazing - from old west towns cactus deserts to snowy mountains in about an hour...lots of things to explore.

    I give it a B-, on a scale of the Pacific Northwest as an A and the Bible Belt as a D.
  • Re: Low Down on Tucson Arizona...

    Tue, February 19, 2008 - 9:00 AM
    Hi Joy,
    Tucson is the most progressive city in AZ. It's a nice town, and like you said really reasonable to live in, relatively. It has a good art, music, and environmental scene, mostly because of the UA. The surrounding mountains are gorgeous, and the sonoran desert is really special. I moved there form San Diego and like the change.
    It can be a little dusty, and parts of town are poor and a little run down. The pay there is low, as is all AZ, and the laws favor employers over employees, which is kind of sad I think. I don't think crime there is any worse then any other city of a million people. Don't listen to the bullshit about it being close to the border and therefore crime ridden, thats just not true.
    OH......it's hotter then hell from May to July, but the monsoons in Aug / Sept are really amazing to behold.
    Good luck!
    Katmai
    • Re: Low Down on Tucson Arizona...

      Tue, February 19, 2008 - 9:16 AM
      haha by plummetting heat bills I meant rising lol...must of been a brain malfunction. Thanks everyone for your input. The hardest part about moving is finding work. For myself, not so hard because I could easily find massage position. My boyfriend on the other hand has only had paper route, grocery work, and factory work, even though he's an artist by nature. Any suggestions on where to look for jobs?
    • Re: Low Down on Tucson Arizona...

      Tue, February 19, 2008 - 9:24 AM
      "Ah, November. The time of year when Tucsonans go from being miserable to being smug." Peter Segel, NPR show "Wait Wait Don't Tell Me"

      Oh, and there's freeway construction. Learn to get around on surface streets. But there's surface street construction too.
  • Re: Low Down on Tucson Arizona...

    Tue, February 19, 2008 - 9:17 AM
    The weather is nice if you like the sun. Tucson is a popular place for artists, body workers, and outdoor fans. If you plan to look for a job in body work, there are lots of resorts and spas to work at, but also a lot of competition from the abundance of other body workers. Cost of living has gone up substantially in the past few years, but not as badly as California. The pace is slow and the style is casual. I don't think crime is any bigger a problem than any other city of this size. Traffic can be a little thick during the winter. I recommend riding a bike instead. The water supply is a hot topic, but we're not in great danger or running out. We have enough water now, we just need to be careful to watch our growth. If you move here bring some water with ya :)
  • Re: Low Down on Tucson Arizona...

    Tue, February 19, 2008 - 9:55 AM
    Shalom Joy,
    i did the tucson living for a bit a while back . . . as is the case with most cities, employment options are greater if only due to the larger population . . .
    you gotta remember latitude: heat . . . heat . . .heat . . . thinking about it, reading about it and living in it are very different
    so you might want think housing with swamp coolers now in February, or underground, partly-underground
    i like heat and it took at least a month adjusting to down-time for 4-5 hours in the middle afternoon every day during heat season . . .

    i'm in the process of heading back there myself and would like to hear how your saga turns out . . .
    here's what i did then and am doing in prep for the move:
    back then:
    1. hooked up with the hostels - back then, inexpensive, pretty safe, and close to most everything
    2. took any kind of employment - dishwashing for one and driving a cab helped me learn my way around; worked day shift so i'd be out of the heat
    3. hooked into the music scene - back then i was doing the musician thing
    4. stayed clear of the dopers - self explantory
    now:
    1. doing craigslist daily for jobs, housing
    2. checking out roommates.com
    3. the Tucson newspapers
    4. corresponding with the hostels - still a cool scene
    5. correspondence with the spiritual retreat scene - in my case buddhist
    6. planning a scouting trip - 7 -10 days mostly to put a face or faces with the folks i've been emailing; plan to stay with friends in East T
    7. even with residence and employment i'm planning on having a $tash to carry me just-in-case

    buenos suerte

    dk
  • Re: Low Down on Tucson Arizona...

    Tue, February 19, 2008 - 10:09 AM
    you may want to check out this thread: tucsonfreaks.tribe.net/thread...2fda80b
    someone had asked a similar question and there are a lot of responses there. :)

    "I have heard that Arizona has a lot of crime and the water situation is questionable"

    you heard that where? I can't say I've witnessed either, or even know what that means. :) I mean, it's a desert, of course you need to think about water differently, but it's not like we're rationed to 1/2 gallon a day and showering with vingegar. ;) and crime is the same everywhere you go, it just depends on what part of town you live in. but I can't say AZ has more or less crime than any other state.
  • Re: Low Down on Tucson Arizona...

    Tue, February 19, 2008 - 5:02 PM
    The cost of living is maybe lower than some areas, however the wages are signifigantly lower as well, so the wage/ cost of living gap can make it appear more affordable than it is.
    Housing has also shot through the roof in prices, many who work here can not afford to purchase a home here.
    Plan on needing a vehicle, the public transportation system is not very effective, and the city is very spread out.
    I would highly recomend finding employment prior to living here, since if you have no degree and no job set ahead you will most likley find your self working a job that at most pay $10 an hr, usally a call center.
    Crime, well statisticlly some crimes here are higher than any other part of the country specificly car theft, and identy theft (most commonly stealling SS#'s to work under) The real question is what kind of crime concerns you the most? When you know that simply check stats. Tucson has many of the typical stats for border citys, these citys have higher types of certain kinds of crimes, drug trafficing, car theft, SS# identity theft, are all common issues in boarder citys. In addition Boarder citys tend to have issues also related to illegal immigration like stressed school and health care systems. Tucson now only has one Trauma center due to the high cost of medical care in the former Trauma center for illegal immigrants. The bottom line is what issues are deal breakers for you? All major citys have issues, and Tucson is not small.

    Do you have children or are you planning on having children? Then you may be concerned by the extremly low national ranking of AZ educational systems, and over all child wellfare.

    Water, yes water is a problem. Statistics on the futuer water supply here are not hopefull.

    Tucsons art scene, yes it has a great art scene. The weather is amazing except when its July and August. If you can handel a laid back very out doorsy and rather private desert rat mentality you may like it. The hiking is great, camping in AZ is amazing, lots to do in a short distance and if you want to play in the snow, drive 30 min up Mt. Lemmon. There is lots of people who share your intrests here and I am sure you would have no problem finding a community to connect with.
    • Re: Low Down on Tucson Arizona...

      Tue, February 19, 2008 - 5:22 PM
      Hmm reading this I realize I need to clarify the water problems.
      Tucson up untill its first attempt in 1993, and it later attempt in 1998(?) was the largest city in the world 100% dependant on ground water. However it became increasingly apperant in the lat 70's and early 80's that this was not a good long range plan and that the city would eventually run out of ground water to harvest. In the early 80's a plann was funded and passed called the central Arizona project, commonly called CAP. This was orginally supposed to harvest colorado river water to help farmers irrigate (back then the major industries in Arizona were Citrus, Cotton, cattle and copper). However when CAP was finished in the early 90's the farmer refused to use the water, it had a few issues. #1 it was too exspensive, and #2 the chemicals used to process it seemed to kill the plants. So the AZ goverment pretty much pushed Tucson into using it. The first attempt to push CAP water through the water delivery system was in 1993 on the eastside of Tucson. The results were disaterous, the chemicals in the water stripped the pipes in most homes and caused them to burst, hundreds of homes were flooded and damaged due to the CAP water fiasco. The project was pulled and tucson returned for the time being to 100% ground water. However the issue of sink holes poping up around the city was increasing and many wells were going dry. In the late 90's I belive around 98 (sorry my memory is less clear on this one) Tucson water pushed for "blended water" the plan was to pump CAP into the aquafire and blend it with natural ground water somewhat eliminating the problems of both taste and pipes bursting. That is the current system Tucson is on today. However tucson water will admit the project is failing, the water table continues to drop and at current rates we do not have enough projected water to last 40 years. There is no current solution, and the increased growth in Pheonix and Tucson continues to over stress the already stress water supply.
      In fact there IS water rationing and regulation to a point, and at times it can be very strict with Tucson water fining people who waste water. There are regulated times you can water, and if you are caught letting water run in the street you can in fact be given a hefty fine. At one time tucson more heavily pushed the infomation about when to water "beat the peak" and publisized fines, they seem to advertise this information less now.

      So do we have water right now? yes.
      Is the water situation fine? well about as fine as the whole global warming thing only our time line is alot shorter.

      BTW I know all this because I am a native, and I happed to live through the east side water fiasco of '93. I also have grown up on beat the peak, occasional city wide water restrictions and I know some folks who have been fined $500 by the city for wasting water.
      • Re: Low Down on Tucson Arizona...

        Tue, February 19, 2008 - 6:57 PM
        Wow I have been here 46 year (native too) and this is the first I have heard of "rationing" the only fines I have ever heard of were for people being complete neglegent jerk offs. I actually worked on the "Beat the Peak" which was a city PR campaign about 20 years ago nothing more. Bottom line is this is a fantastic place to live or we would not be worried about water, Tucson is no worse off in that department than any of the rest of the southwest desert in fact we are probably in much better shape than Phoenix or Las Vegas .
        This is an amazing city if you like culture and art and being surrounded by phenomenal people. There is NEVER a day or evening when we have nothing to do or nowhere to go there is always something going on, most of it wonderful.
        The job situation is not fantastic but that is the same most places right now housing is fantastic as the prices are dropping on both owning and rentals. Several of my friends have been able to negotiate dirt cheap rent for places that had sat vacant for awhile, it just took some looking around.
        Come visit check us out!
  • Re: Low Down on Tucson Arizona...

    Sat, February 23, 2008 - 12:04 PM
    Hey Joy!
    I understand your position. I lived in Mass for the first 18 years of my life and moved to Tucson for college. I needed the climate and culture change. I loved my time there! The sonoran desert is like none other! Very very beautiful and unique. I also know many people who live near town and don´t have cars. You can live with just a bike easily. The bike scene there is amazing. It is very strong and very interesting. There are lots of community projects going on, the street art scene is quite fun. One of my favorite parts was that there are so many natural food stores. I think that working with solar might be a good option for a job, it´s a growing thing there (as it should be!) I did eventually end up moving out. I missed trees for shade, moss and water! I also was a little depressed about the urban sprawl, it´s pretty intense and unsustainable down there! But I realize that it is happening throughout the country. I absolutely love visiting though. Good luck with your search!
  • Re: Low Down on Tucson Arizona...

    Sun, February 24, 2008 - 2:53 PM
    I wanted to ad that I **STRONGLY** advise visiting any city you are interested in before deciding to move there. Meeting people while you're there also helps a lot.

    You can get as many opinions as you want, but none of it will really mean anything if you don't take 3-7 days and check out the city first hand. Each person you ask is going to have different interests, values, needs, habits, comfort levels, etc. that influence how they feel about a place. And it's unlikely that asking strangers (who you may have nothing in common with) will give you an accurate view of whether the city suits *your* particular needs.

    Also, you can get a lot of statistics online about housing rates (availability and cost will vary greatly from block to block in Tucson), employment rates, taxes, political issues, crime, etc. Even history about water use and potential problems. Looking through job sites or sites like craigslist can give you an idea of rates and availability. Though those places only advertise for certain kinds of jobs. In most cities networking and arranging interviews before you visit/move works best. You can also often arrange for apartment swaps or house sitting gigs to get a free place to stay to allow you to check out the area.

    When I was looking to move from NYC I visited each city that was on my list. I did research on each place I was considering. I networked with people online before i left and made appointments to see them while I was there -- lunch dates, dinners, meetings at the park. Then when I got there I spent some time driving around all the areas, checking out different neighborhoods, going to restaurants and clubs to check out the nightlife, meeting with people, going to parties. I also looked at places for rent while I was there, which was probably the most valuable thing.

    That process was critical. for example, everyone raved about Austin and it looked good on paper. But I would've been very unhappy if I had just moved there without checking it out, since I realized it didn't meet my needs when I visited there. whereas by day 2 or 3 of being in Tucson I had made the decision to move.
  • Re: Low Down on Tucson Arizona...

    Tue, March 18, 2008 - 10:44 AM
    I'll add my two cents. Having moved to Tucson from NC in 2000, I NEVER regretted it. Ever. Tucson is definitely the only place of a decent size that could be considered progressive. The people are friendly, relaxed and accepting of all kinds of people. The weather is amazing...obviously in winter, but the summer heat is dry and feels so refreshing having come from the south. The monsoon storms are breathtaking and violent. The Mexican food is unmatched in both taste and variety. The only major downside I can think of in Tucson are the lack of good jobs to be had. That's why I moved up the road to Phoenix. (and no, I don't like it nearly as much as Tucson) However, It sounds like both of you are independent thinkers who are spiritual and creative. I couldn't think of a better fit for Tucson. There are plenty of opportunities all around...but you may just have to carve them out yourself rather than depending on getting a jobby job working for someone else. At least cost of living is cheap. I loved living in Tucson and would do it again if the opportunities for my partner (who is a commercial photographer) were better there...
    • Re: Low Down on Tucson Arizona...

      Tue, March 18, 2008 - 11:31 AM
      i live in the northeast u.s. now but after my kids are older, am headed to tucson or thereabouts mostly for weather reasons- have health issues that would be much less severe in warm dry climate ... i've been to tucson a few times not enough to claim I know it well or anything ... is good to read these posts to learn what's up ......

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